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- One of the witnesses to the marriage is Mary Jane Juniper, her (unmarried) sister. At the 1901 Census, there was Bertha Cogger, servant.
At the 1939 Register they are at 79 Woodmansterne Road, ie with Elsie and Beth. Perhaps they lived there during the WW2. The register does not record anybody at No 26.
With regard to the note on the 1911 Census that there are 2 children who have died, there are no family memories that I can find. So I have just done some brute force searching as follows:
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List of HULL births with mother maiden name JUNIPER registered from 1887 to 1911 on GRO website. (Used with "similar to" settings for both surnames).
Note M - March, ie Q1, J - June, ie Q2, D - Dec, ie Q4
HULL, FREDERICK JAMES JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 746
Almost certainly present in 1939 Register in Essex, and 1911 Census with Alice Elizabeth and William Henry Thomas
HULE, ALICE ELIZABETH JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 743
Almost certainly present in 1911 Census with Frederick James and William Henry Thomas
HULL, ELSIE MURIEL JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 281
HULL, WILLIAM HENRY THOMAS JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BRAINTREE Volume 04A Page 670
Almost certainly present in 1911 Census with Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth. Baptism likely 11/6/1893 to Henry and Elizabeth at Hatfield Peverel, Essex
HULL, ELLEN MARY ANN JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 485
Almost certainly present in 1891 and 1901 Census, and appears to be a sister to William Henry Thomas, Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth.
HULL, FAITH MINNER JOHANNA JUNIPER
GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 490
Almost certainly present in 1891 and 1901 Census, and appears to be a sister to Ellen Mary Ann, William Henry Thomas, Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth.
Samuel dies in Edmonton, Q1, 1890 aged 0. Vol 3a, p168. But Edmonton is a distance (physical and cultural) from Barnet
The only child registered as Hull in Barnet between Q4, 1889 and Q2, 1911 inclusive other than Elsie Muriel, but with no mother maiden name on FMP is:-
Kathleen Marjorie Hull Oct qtr 1896. GRO site has mother maiden name as COOPER
With a 5 mile radius, which includes on FMP Edmonton and Hendon:-
Alfred Samuel C (Q3 1903, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as LOVELL
Allen Richard C (Q3 1898, Hendon) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel. GRO site has mother maiden name as BARLOW
Alphonso Hubert H (Q2 1907, Hendon) - FMP has a death record
Bertie (Q4 1898, Hendon) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel. GRO site has no mother maiden name.
Bessie Florence A (Q4 1905, Edmonton) Cannot find on GRO
Charles Thomas W (Q4 1889, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as PELLY
Elizabeth (Q4 1904, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as SAUNDERS
Ellen Mary E (Q2 1900, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as RICHARDSON
Emma Amelia R (Q2 1905, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as CHAMBERLAIN
Francis W (Q1 1911, Hendon)
George Albert (Q4 1899, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as DODGE
George Henry (Q1 1890, Edmonton) GRO site has no mother maiden name. Cannot find an immediate death for him
Jennie Florene (Q1 1909, Edmonton)
Martin Reginald C (Q3 1905, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as BARLOW
Maud E (Q2 1911, Edmonton)
Vera H (Q2 1911, Edmonton)
Vincent S (Q2 1911, Edmonton) - FMP has a census record
There are other similar names, Hall, Hill etc. with no mother maiden name. To simplify things, just looking at Barnet only there is
Albert Edward J HILL (Q3 1903)
Alma HALL (Q4 1900) - FMP has a census record
Betty LJ HALL (Q1 1911) - FMP has a census record
Bertie HILL (Q1 1893)
Bertie David HALL (Q1 1893)
Bertie James HALL (Q1 1894) - FMP has a census record
Beryl Agnes HALL (Q3 1905)
Cecil Ewens HALL (Q4 1889) - FMP has a census record
Christina Daisy HILL (Q1 1909) - FMP has a census record
Cissie Mary HALL (Q3 1902) - FMP has a census record
Conrad Edgar HILL (Q4 1902) - FMP has a census record
Delores HILL (Q2 1906)
Evinia Harriet HILL (Q4 1897) - only if Elsie Muriel was actually a twin, and why would they be registered in different quarters?
Esmond HALL (Q3 1910) - FMP has a census record
Francis Frederick HALL (Q3 1900) - FMP has a census record
Gerald Wilson HILL (Q2 1909)
Gordon D HILL (Q2 1911)
Jessae William HILL (Q1 1894)
Jessamine Helen HILL (Q4 1889)
Jessie HILL (Q2 1897) - unlikely given DOB of Elsie Muriel...- FMP has a census record
Jessie HILL (Q1 1898) - twin (with typo in surname) of Elsie Muriel?...- FMP has a census record
John Norman HILL (Q2 1901)
Katherine Mary HALL (Q4 1898) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel
Leah Cecilia HILL (Q3 1909) - FMP has a census record
Lionel Everard HALL (Q1 1892) - FMP has a census record
Lionel William A HILL (Q3 1908)
"Male" HILL (Q3 1902)
Marjorie HALL (Q3 1895)
Martin James W HILL (Q4 1900) - FMP has a census record
Naomi Alice HILL (Q4 1893)
Nettie HALL (Q3 1906) - FMP has a census record
Nita Marion HILL (Q3 1907)
Phoebe Emma HALL (Q3 1895)
Rosina Ada HALL (Q2 1903) - FMP has a census record
Rosina Dorothea HALL (Q2 1910)
Sybil Gwendolen HILL (Q1 1905) - FMP has a marriage record in 1925
Unita G HILL (Q3 1910) - FMP has a census record
Walter Hermann HEHL (Q3 1899) - FMP has a census record
Ward William HILL (Q4 1895)
Wilfred Cecil HALL (Q2 1900) - FMP has a census record
There are no HULLs registered in Portsmouth or Portsea from 1899 to 1901 with no maiden name given.
I have checked all the HULLs and HULL variations on GRO, looking for any similarities in mother maiden name to Juniper for
Barnet 1889 to 1911
Edmonton 1889 to 1901.
No suitable alternatives have been found.
No deaths of these Hulls found in this period in Hertfordshire or Hampshire, nor any Hull variants in Barnet.
Note Leonard HALL (Q1 1900, Barnet) has been suggested on another family tree site, but the transcription gives mother maiden name as Brewer, so this seems unlikely
Note Elsie Muriel registered Jan qtr 1898
My theory is that there was a stillborn. My understanding is that they were registered, though I imagine that this did not always happen, albeit that we have Samuel who died very young. Perhaps this happened some years before 1911, and FW felt the need to record his other children in some way. My grandmother Elsie clearly had no knowledge, so we have to assume that the child died before she was say 6, so not after 1904. Matching this with Census etc, it means somebody born and dieing in Barnet 1901 to 1904. Alternatively somebody born in Portsmouth from 1890 onwards (we dont know when they moved to Barnet), or Barnet and dieing before 1901. It might be that the loss of children was the reason for moving to Barnet. Lastly a more remote possibility that there was a stillborn while Elsie was at boarding school, but even if not present for that, she surely would have noticed her mother being pregnant.
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