Frederick William HULL

1863 - 1949  (85 years)

• Name	Frederick William HULL
  Birth	23 Nov 1863	5, Duke St., Fratton, Portsmouth   [1]
  Gender	Male
  1871 Census	45, Lucknow St., Fratton, Portsmouth   [2]
  	At 1871 Census, he is 7
  1881 Census	46, Lucknow St, Portsea, Portsmouth   [3]
  	At 1881 Census, he is 17, occ "grocers assistant".
  1891 Census	63, Palace Road, Crouch End, Hornsey, Middlesex   [4]
  	At 1891 Census, he is 27, occ "Poultry Salesman"
  1901 Census	2, Cecil Villas, Victoria Road, Barnet, Hertfordshire   [5]
  	At 1901 Census, he is 36, occ "Meat Salesman"
  1911 Census	"Vectis", Park Road, New Barnet, Hertfordshire   [6]
  	At 1911 Census, he is 47, occ "importer of poultry"
  1921 Census	"Elmdene", Long Causeway, Exmouth, Devon   [7]
  	At 1921 Census, he is 57y 7m, occ "Colonial Merchant, retired"
  Occupation	see notes
  1939 Register	79, Woodmansterne Road, Coulsdon, Surrey   [8]
  	At 1939 Register, he is "Provision Merchant (Retired)"
  Individual Note	He was originally a brushmaker, but later in partnership with Alfred Juniper (son of JW Juniper) in a poultry business at Smithfield.  [9]
  Individual Note 2	At the time of his marriage he was a provisions salesman. He was living at Portsea at his marriage.  [10]
  Death	11 Feb 1949	26, Woodmansterne Rd., Purley, Surrey   [9, 11]
  Person ID	I914	Webb
  Last Modified	1 Jun 2025

  
  

  Father	Joseph Thomas HULL,   b. 12 Dec 1835, Portsmouth d. 8 May 1924, 104, Grosvenor Road, Muswell Hill, London (Age 88 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Mother	Harriet GUY,   b. 2 Nov 1834, Parkstone, Dorset d. 13 Dec 1922, 13, Montgomerie Road, Southsea, Portsmouth (Age 88 years)
  Relationship	natural
  Marriage	1 Mar 1860	Wesley Chapel, Arundel St., Portsea, Portsmouth   [12]
  Family Note	In 1911, they had 2 surviving children, and 5 who had died  [13]
  Family Note 2	At the 1871 Census they had a servant, Mary HAYETT.  [2]
  Marriage Fact	The marriage was witnessed by Fanny GUY (one of Harriet's sisters)  [12]
  Family ID	F333	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  
  

  Family	Ellen Jones JUNIPER,   b. 25 Oct 1864, 6, Somers Road, Southsea, Portsmouth d. 14 Feb 1948, 26, Woodmansterne Rd., Purley, Surrey (Age 83 years)
  Marriage	18 Apr 1889	Wesley Chapel, Arundel St., Portsea, Portsmouth   [10]
  Family Note	In 1911, they had 1 child, and a further 2 had died  [6]
  Family Note 2	They lived at Palace Road, Crouch End, Hornsey, then Cecil Villas, New Barnet, then "Vectis", Park Road, New Barnet  [9]
  Notes	One of the witnesses to the marriage is Mary Jane Juniper, her (unmarried) sister. At the 1901 Census, there was Bertha Cogger, servant. At the 1939 Register they are at 79 Woodmansterne Road, ie with Elsie and Beth. Perhaps they lived there during the WW2. The register does not record anybody at No 26. With regard to the note on the 1911 Census that there are 2 children who have died, there are no family memories that I can find. So I have just done some brute force searching as follows: ******************************************* List of HULL births with mother maiden name JUNIPER registered from 1887 to 1911 on GRO website. (Used with "similar to" settings for both surnames). Note M - March, ie Q1, J - June, ie Q2, D - Dec, ie Q4 HULL, FREDERICK JAMES JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 746 Almost certainly present in 1939 Register in Essex, and 1911 Census with Alice Elizabeth and William Henry Thomas HULE, ALICE ELIZABETH JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1901 M Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 743 Almost certainly present in 1911 Census with Frederick James and William Henry Thomas HULL, ELSIE MURIEL JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1898 M Quarter in BARNET Volume 03A Page 281 HULL, WILLIAM HENRY THOMAS JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1893 J Quarter in BRAINTREE Volume 04A Page 670 Almost certainly present in 1911 Census with Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth. Baptism likely 11/6/1893 to Henry and Elizabeth at Hatfield Peverel, Essex HULL, ELLEN MARY ANN JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1890 J Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 485 Almost certainly present in 1891 and 1901 Census, and appears to be a sister to William Henry Thomas, Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth. HULL, FAITH MINNER JOHANNA JUNIPER GRO Reference: 1889 M Quarter in MALDON Volume 04A Page 490 Almost certainly present in 1891 and 1901 Census, and appears to be a sister to Ellen Mary Ann, William Henry Thomas, Frederick James and Alice Elizabeth. Samuel dies in Edmonton, Q1, 1890 aged 0. Vol 3a, p168. But Edmonton is a distance (physical and cultural) from Barnet The only child registered as Hull in Barnet between Q4, 1889 and Q2, 1911 inclusive other than Elsie Muriel, but with no mother maiden name on FMP is:- Kathleen Marjorie Hull Oct qtr 1896. GRO site has mother maiden name as COOPER With a 5 mile radius, which includes on FMP Edmonton and Hendon:- Alfred Samuel C (Q3 1903, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as LOVELL Allen Richard C (Q3 1898, Hendon) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel. GRO site has mother maiden name as BARLOW Alphonso Hubert H (Q2 1907, Hendon) - FMP has a death record Bertie (Q4 1898, Hendon) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel. GRO site has no mother maiden name. Bessie Florence A (Q4 1905, Edmonton) Cannot find on GRO Charles Thomas W (Q4 1889, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as PELLY Elizabeth (Q4 1904, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as SAUNDERS Ellen Mary E (Q2 1900, Edmonton) GRO site has mother maiden name as RICHARDSON Emma Amelia R (Q2 1905, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as CHAMBERLAIN Francis W (Q1 1911, Hendon) George Albert (Q4 1899, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as DODGE George Henry (Q1 1890, Edmonton) GRO site has no mother maiden name. Cannot find an immediate death for him Jennie Florene (Q1 1909, Edmonton) Martin Reginald C (Q3 1905, Hendon) GRO site has mother maiden name as BARLOW Maud E (Q2 1911, Edmonton) Vera H (Q2 1911, Edmonton) Vincent S (Q2 1911, Edmonton) - FMP has a census record There are other similar names, Hall, Hill etc. with no mother maiden name. To simplify things, just looking at Barnet only there is Albert Edward J HILL (Q3 1903) Alma HALL (Q4 1900) - FMP has a census record Betty LJ HALL (Q1 1911) - FMP has a census record Bertie HILL (Q1 1893) Bertie David HALL (Q1 1893) Bertie James HALL (Q1 1894) - FMP has a census record Beryl Agnes HALL (Q3 1905) Cecil Ewens HALL (Q4 1889) - FMP has a census record Christina Daisy HILL (Q1 1909) - FMP has a census record Cissie Mary HALL (Q3 1902) - FMP has a census record Conrad Edgar HILL (Q4 1902) - FMP has a census record Delores HILL (Q2 1906) Evinia Harriet HILL (Q4 1897) - only if Elsie Muriel was actually a twin, and why would they be registered in different quarters? Esmond HALL (Q3 1910) - FMP has a census record Francis Frederick HALL (Q3 1900) - FMP has a census record Gerald Wilson HILL (Q2 1909) Gordon D HILL (Q2 1911) Jessae William HILL (Q1 1894) Jessamine Helen HILL (Q4 1889) Jessie HILL (Q2 1897) - unlikely given DOB of Elsie Muriel...- FMP has a census record Jessie HILL (Q1 1898) - twin (with typo in surname) of Elsie Muriel?...- FMP has a census record John Norman HILL (Q2 1901) Katherine Mary HALL (Q4 1898) - unlikely given the DOB of Elsie Muriel Leah Cecilia HILL (Q3 1909) - FMP has a census record Lionel Everard HALL (Q1 1892) - FMP has a census record Lionel William A HILL (Q3 1908) "Male" HILL (Q3 1902) Marjorie HALL (Q3 1895) Martin James W HILL (Q4 1900) - FMP has a census record Naomi Alice HILL (Q4 1893) Nettie HALL (Q3 1906) - FMP has a census record Nita Marion HILL (Q3 1907) Phoebe Emma HALL (Q3 1895) Rosina Ada HALL (Q2 1903) - FMP has a census record Rosina Dorothea HALL (Q2 1910) Sybil Gwendolen HILL (Q1 1905) - FMP has a marriage record in 1925 Unita G HILL (Q3 1910) - FMP has a census record Walter Hermann HEHL (Q3 1899) - FMP has a census record Ward William HILL (Q4 1895) Wilfred Cecil HALL (Q2 1900) - FMP has a census record There are no HULLs registered in Portsmouth or Portsea from 1899 to 1901 with no maiden name given. I have checked all the HULLs and HULL variations on GRO, looking for any similarities in mother maiden name to Juniper for Barnet 1889 to 1911 Edmonton 1889 to 1901. No suitable alternatives have been found. No deaths of these Hulls found in this period in Hertfordshire or Hampshire, nor any Hull variants in Barnet. Note Leonard HALL (Q1 1900, Barnet) has been suggested on another family tree site, but the transcription gives mother maiden name as Brewer, so this seems unlikely Note Elsie Muriel registered Jan qtr 1898 My theory is that there was a stillborn. My understanding is that they were registered, though I imagine that this did not always happen, albeit that we have Samuel who died very young. Perhaps this happened some years before 1911, and FW felt the need to record his other children in some way. My grandmother Elsie clearly had no knowledge, so we have to assume that the child died before she was say 6, so not after 1904. Matching this with Census etc, it means somebody born and dieing in Barnet 1901 to 1904. Alternatively somebody born in Portsmouth from 1890 onwards (we dont know when they moved to Barnet), or Barnet and dieing before 1901. It might be that the loss of children was the reason for moving to Barnet. Lastly a more remote possibility that there was a stillborn while Elsie was at boarding school, but even if not present for that, she surely would have noticed her mother being pregnant.
  Children	1. Elsie Muriel HULL,   b. 28 Nov 1897, New Barnet, Hertfordshire d. 14 Apr 1983, Smallfield Hospital, Smallfield, Surrey (Age 85 years)  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]   2. Samuel HULL,   b. 5 Jan 1890, 63, Palace Road, Crouch End, Hornsey, Middlesex d. 1890  [Father: natural]  [Mother: natural]
  Family ID	F332	Group Sheet  |  Family Chart
  Last Modified	1 Jun 2025

  
  

• Event Map

  Birth - 23 Nov 1863 - 5, Duke St., Fratton, Portsmouth 1871 Census - At 1871 Census, he is 7 - - 45, Lucknow St., Fratton, Portsmouth 1881 Census - At 1881 Census, he is 17, occ "grocers assistant". - - 46, Lucknow St, Portsea, Portsmouth 1891 Census - At 1891 Census, he is 27, occ "Poultry Salesman" - - 63, Palace Road, Crouch End, Hornsey, Middlesex 1901 Census - At 1901 Census, he is 36, occ "Meat Salesman" - - 2, Cecil Villas, Victoria Road, Barnet, Hertfordshire 1911 Census - At 1911 Census, he is 47, occ "importer of poultry" - - "Vectis", Park Road, New Barnet, Hertfordshire 1921 Census - At 1921 Census, he is 57y 7m, occ "Colonial Merchant, retired" - - "Elmdene", Long Causeway, Exmouth, Devon 1939 Register - At 1939 Register, he is "Provision Merchant (Retired)" - - 79, Woodmansterne Road, Coulsdon, Surrey Marriage - 18 Apr 1889 - Wesley Chapel, Arundel St., Portsea, Portsmouth Death - 11 Feb 1949 - 26, Woodmansterne Rd., Purley, Surrey  = Link to Google Earth

  
  

• Photos » Slide Show		Frederick William Hull
  		FW Hull
  		FW Hull abt 1868
  		Fred and Nellie Hull 2.jpg

  
  

• Notes

  The Portsmouth Times and Naval Gazette 28 November 1863 records the birth, but says that this was at Lucknow St. Note that the family are in Lucknow St at both the 1861 and 1871 Censuses. See separate notes about the food wholesaling partnership up to 1918. According to John Jackman (b1926), he travelled to Russia, France and Belgium for poultry In the probate details, it says the will was resealed in Vancouver (Canada) 1/12/1949. I have a family note that says Ralph and Frederick travelled across Canada (not obvious when), but decided that "it was not a suitable place for their wives"

  
  

• Sources

  [S1848] Birth Certificate :- FW Hull (1863). [S1851] 1871 Census :- 45, Lucknow St, Fratton, Portsmouth. [S1850] 1881 Census :- 46, Lucknow St, Portsea, Portsmouth. [S1843] 1891 Census :- 63, Palace Road, Crouch End, Hornsey, Middlesex. [S1842] 1901 Census :- 2, Cecil Villas, Victoria Road, Barnet, Hertfordshire. [S1844] 1911 Census :- "Vectis", Park Road, New Barnet, Hertfordshire. [S1847] 1921 Census :- "Elmdene", Long Causeway, Exmouth, Devon. [S1846] 1939 Register :- 79, Woodmansterne Road, Coulsdon, Surrey. [S54] Information from the family. [S1841] Marriage Certificate :- Frederick W Hull - Ellen J Juniper (1889). [S1849] Probate register :- FW Hull (1949). [S2013] Marriage Certificate :- Joseph T Hull - Harriet Guy (1860). [S2221] 1911 Census :- 13, Montgomerie Road, Southsea, Portsmouth.